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Welcome to the famous Computer Cafe,
brought to you by Online America, the voice

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of the information age. Each week at this
time we serve up an appetizing array of

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news, reviews, interviews and other delicacies,
all dealing with the exciting and

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expanding world of personal computers.
So join us at the famous Computer Cafe,

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where you can hear the movers and shakers
of the microcomputer world talk about

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everything from computer fantasies to
software piracy, from hardware innovations

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to online communications,
from state of the art to frontiers of the mind.

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Grab a seat, relax and dine for the next
hour at the famous Computer Cafe, where

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your favorite table is always waiting.
The famous Computer Cafe is brought to you

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by the software spot of West Los Angeles.
The software spot with the largest

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selection of software in town is the
oldest independently owned and operated

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software store in Los Angeles.

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Oh, it's raining cats and dogs out here,
you guys. How can you

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sing? My shoes are getting ruined.

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What a time to get a flat tire.
So whatever happened to the

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romance of singing in the rain?

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I'd rather be singing in the cafe.
Here, I'll get the door.

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Ah, the cafe looks so cozy. Doesn't it,
though? Let's go sit at our table and

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take a look at the menu for today.
I'm Ellen Walker.

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And I'm Andy Velkoff. And I'm Michael Walker.
And you're dining with us

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today at the famous Computer Cafe.

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Each week at this time, we broadcast from
the cafe, bringing you news, reviews,

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interviews and plenty of other treats.
The chef's special today is our guest,

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Howard Goldberg, the president of PlayNet,
a new online network. We'll be talking

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about our famous Computer Cafe giveaway.
You want to stay tuned for that, as well

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as reviewing Electronic Arts, Seven Cities
of Gold. Of course, Dave Johnson will

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join us, as well as Paul and Sarah Edwards.
Not to mention the poet laureate of

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the cafe, Dr. Disk, still handing out all
those buttons. What a promoter. I mean,

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a man after my own heart. You can say
that again. What a promoter. Okay, all

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right, all right. We'll be back in a
minute after the message from the folks at

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Software Spot. Stay tuned. Lotus announces
Symphony, the most comprehensive

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software system ever developed, playing
This Week at the Software Spot. Symphony

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combines word processing, spreadsheet,
communications, database, graphics and a

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command language with a windowing capability.
Symphony is available to our

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listeners at the Software Spot for $525.
Save $170 by mentioning

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Online America, the Software Spot at 10977
Santa Monica Boulevard in West LA or

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phone 213-477-7561,
the Software Spot giving you good discounts on

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magazines, books and software. A car,
a trip to Hawaii, a million dollars a year

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for the rest of your life. If any of you
know of a contest where we could win all

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these things, let us know, okay?
In the meantime, if any of you would like a

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chance to win a new Commodore 64 computer
or a dinner for two, then listen to

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this. Between now and December 17th,
we'll be throwing all letters received here

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at the famous Computer Cafe into a big hat.
On December 17th, we

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will import a very pretty woman in a short
skirt with a frozen smile to push her

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hand way down into the hat, not once,
but twice, and come up with a first prize

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winner and a second prize winner.
A letter or postcard with your name, address,

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phone number and the type of computer you
own or would like to own will qualify

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you to enter this contest. It's a contest.
Whether you're a bonafide hacker whose

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credentials include breaking into Fort Knox,
never mind, or a complete novice who

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can't spell the word computer and thinks
a bite is something you put in your

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mouth, not to worry, as Dr. Disk would say.
Just your name, address, phone and

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computer model on a piece of paper will
make you eligible for these wonderful

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prizes. And what are these wonderful prizes
you might ask? I'm so glad you asked.

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Johnny, tell us what this month's
contestants are going to win.

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Well, Bob, this month's second prize
winners will receive an all-expense paid

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candlelight dinner for two at the elegant
restaurant you see on your screen

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behind door number one. And this month's
first prize winner will receive a

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free, brand-new deluxe Commodore 64 home
computer. Yes, that's right. Commodore

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is the most popular personal computer
and is owned by more families than any

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other personal computer in
this great nation of ours.

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Well, thank you, Johnny. You're welcome.
Now you've heard it, folks. Second prize

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of dinner for two and first prize,
a free Commodore 64 personal computer. What?

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Commodore 64. And everyone else will
receive one of our beautiful new

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famous computer cafe buttons.

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So everyone's going to be a winner.
What? A winner. So pick up your pen and a

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piece of paper or a postcard and address
your correspondence to the famous

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computer cafe giveaway 1322 Second Street
Suite 24, Santa Monica, California

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90401. Where? The famous computer cafe
giveaway 1322 Second Street Suite

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24, Santa Monica, California 90401.
Don't let this chance of a lifetime pass you

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by. Send in your postcard today. When? Today.

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Welcome to Online America. Here at the
famous computer cafe, we have Howard

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Goldberg with us. Howard, give us a sense
about what it is that you're doing with

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playing it and kind of how you got into
this whole thing. Well, thanks, Mike.

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It's it's a real pleasure to be here at
the computer cafe tonight. We're really

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excited about playing it. We started the
company about a year ago. My partner and

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I were working for GE in Albany, New York,
and we decided that we wanted to go

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off and start our own company. And we're
really excited about the prospects for

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computers in this country and
the opportunities for computers.

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And so we we had the idea that that
what would really go would be a network

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that people could make contact with each
other through their computer all across

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the country, play games with each
other like bridge or monopoly or chess

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and do a whole variety of
things online like being

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online America, but through the computer.

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And so we we started the company around
a year ago. We found some investors

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who are interested in in what we were doing,
hired some people, started

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developing the software and we started
testing about four or five months ago now.

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And just this August, we started a
final test market. We've got people

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from Illinois, from Illinois, from Illinois,
from Illinois, from Illinois, from

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Illinois, from Illinois, from Illinois,
from Illinois from Maryland, from Boston

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area, a few from California,
online right now, testing it out.

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And we're going to be starting our our
full national marketing of the plane that

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service come the end of October.
Wow. So this means that

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you're going to give it give me an opportunity
to ask you a lot of questions. But

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this really means that you're setting up
something like a CompuServe or a source

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or knowledge index or something like that,
a main database that people can access

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from their personal home computers
into main databases and communicate

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with other people around the country.

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Well that's that's part of it, Mike.
We look at people

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like CompuServe and the source.

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We're really the pioneers of this market.
They're

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basically information businesses.

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They've got their their computer,
which is full of information of all sorts,

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encyclopedias, airline schedules,
restaurant reviews. And you can connect

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into their computer and ask for information
and they send it down to you from

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their computer. But one of the things
that they also had was the ability

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for you as a subscriber to get on the
network and not get information from their

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computer but through their computer reach
other people who are also online and

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play some games with them. And what they
have found has been that that has been

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one of the most popular parts of their network.
And so we we saw that happening

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and we said hey that's what people really
enjoy doing. They enjoy meeting people.

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That's a basic thing that people like to
make contact with other people. We also

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saw that there were other ways to give
features that CompuServe didn't have. For

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example, there's no graphics on CompuServe.
And when you're playing a game, for

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example, it's great to be able to see
the game board. And so we found a way to

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make it so that you could get that kind
of graphics. And also we we will be

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charging a lot less than CompuServe and
we think that for people to really enjoy

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and use this kind of a service it needs
to be at a popular price. Well, wait a

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minute now. If I seem to remember correctly
CompuServe is about six bucks eight

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six to eight bucks. How much is it?
How much what what are the rate structures?

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I'm not really sure about all the different
rate structures. Well, that's right.

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CompuServe basically charges depending
where you are in the country between six

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and eight dollars an hour for the evening
hours and weekends and holidays. The

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way our pricing is is that the the
basic price is two dollars an hour.

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There's also a monthly service fee of six
dollars per month flat rate. There are

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no other there are no other connect charges.
So if you're online for an hour you

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pay us two dollars. And we think that
that's an attractive price that people can

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afford where they can they can spend
time on on the network. They can make

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friends meet people play
games send electronic mail.

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And there are many other features that
that we have in the works that people will

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be able to do with each other online.

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We've I have let's see
Knowledge Index CompuServe and

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I've seen the source. All those have
local access numbers. And what that means

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guys is that basically you get to call
up a local number so you're not charged

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even though you guys are like in New York
right. Your main databases in New York.

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So even though their main databases in
New York you can call a local access

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number. You're only charged for your local
phone call but then your bill the two

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dollars an hour for being online on their
their system so you don't have to pay

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two dollars in long distance charges right.
That's that's absolutely right. If

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you're in San Francisco or you're in Los
Angeles we have a number for you to call

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in your city and then you're online
and so you you pay the two dollars an

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hour. There are no other charges.

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So you can be online with your with your
grandmother or your brother or your

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friend across the country and you're
paying two dollars an hour which is far

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lower than than the price that
you would pay for long distance

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phone calls on AT&T. So that's we see
that as a real feature for people just to

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be able to to communicate with their
friends relatives at a real low price.

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Well stay tuned folks I guess you're
gonna find out a little bit about

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telecommunications tonight. So am I.
This is Michael Walker Online America. We'll

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be back with you in a few moments.

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Send for it today.

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You know Ellen it's a really nice day
to be here at the famous computer cafe.

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I know isn't it wonderful.

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It's so cozy in here with the fire going.

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I love this kind of day.

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I just feel like curling up on a big
leather chair in my flannel pajamas that

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Michael doesn't like with a good
book and a cup of hot chocolate.

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And don't get too into that fantasy.

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You know we still have a show to do.

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Oh yeah.

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Well speaking of shows you know I thought
I'd let you know that our friends at Cy

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Comp are going to be promoting
their Apple version of their

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product called coping with stress.

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That's this Wednesday November 21st.

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Well what are they going to be doing.

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They're going to have the
first ever autograph party for

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a software product which is kind of cute.

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Dr. Robert Reitman who is the author will
be at the Van Nuys computer land at 66

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28 Van Nuys Boulevard to demonstrate his self

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help software and to sign autographs.

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It sounds like real great celebrity stuff.

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Yeah.

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That sounds interesting.

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Well it might be fun to check it out.

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Let's get back to Michael and
Howard talking about Playnet.

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This is Michael Walker.

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We're back with our guest Howard Goldberg
and Howard's the chairman of Playnet.

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I didn't know if he mentioned that to
you but I thought I might tell you.

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We're talking about telecommunications.

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This is all that modem stuff.

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This is all that you know if you want to
get online and use your telephone after

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you get your computer set up and everything.

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Basically what he has is a service that's
a main database that will allow you to

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talk to other people around the
country for a real small price.

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Let me ask you some questions.

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Basically if I got online with
you you're telling me that

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I can get some neat graphics.

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I can play games with
people around the country.

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I can communicate with people around
the country and watch them either

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on my monitor on my television.

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That's right. That's right.

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At the heart of Playnet is the social
activity that you can get online from your

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own home and meet people make new friends
or make contact with people who you

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already know at a low price
and have fun play games.

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We also have electronic mail.

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So if you want to make if you
want to send a note to someone

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you can do that.

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We plan to add things like greeting cards.

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So a friend has a is getting
married has a birthday graduation.

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You can send a card and they can call it
up on their computer and see that that

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card in full in full color graphics with music.

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One of the basic things is things that
you do with other people when you're

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having fun when you're just just just
enjoying contact with other people.

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You know I have actually heard you know
because we're in this business of really

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kind of seeking out the
unusual about these computers.

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We're always talking about you
know what's something somebody

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doing different unusual.

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But I've actually heard of people
actually becoming friends.

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They actually start talking to one
another through their computer

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and then decide to meet someplace.

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People have gotten married.

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They have dates off of this.

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I mean this is like a
social phenomena isn't it.

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Oh absolutely.

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I I've seen that myself.

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I know people who have who have
met people on the network who

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have have gone out with them.

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Friendships have have have grown out of
that plane that is really too new to

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have anybody get married yet.

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But I have no doubt that that will happen.

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There really are not too many ways
where you can from your own home

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make contact with new people.

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You just can't very well pick up the phone
and call some random telephone number.

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But on planet you can get on any time and meet

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new people and it's perfectly fine.

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It's perfectly safe.

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You don't have to go out on the
streets at night to meet people.

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It's you know that's it's an opportunity to do

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things that you can't do any other way.

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But you know something.

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I mean I'm all for computers.

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I really am.

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I really promote computers.

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I think people should get on computers.

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But I don't I mean would you
paint this as being something.

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Listen if you're afraid to go outside of
your front door stay on your computer

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because hey you can meet new people this way.

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You don't have to be afraid of strangers.

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You advocating not going out on
the streets and being with people.

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Oh no absolutely not.

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This is this is just one more element.

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It's something that that that can add
to the things that you do in your life.

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I'm not saying to that you should sit
home and not ever see a person to

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go out and meet people.

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But hey people spend six or seven hours

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on average in front of their television
set sitting there watching programs

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come to them.

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I think that that spending an hour
or two in front of your TV set doing

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this kind of thing has a lot
of real value that maybe.

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A lot more in some respects than
than watching soap opera or watching

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a ball game.

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I enjoyed doing both of those things but
this is just something different and new

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and something that can really add to
your life not replace other things but

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really add a new dimension to your life.

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I think it's I think it's kind of like.

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It's so new you know I mean you're talking
about communicating in a way where

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people actually can become
friends through this supposedly

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unfriendly technology.

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Well I think that's one of the things
that I really that I really like and find

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exciting that people are used to thinking
about the computer as this as this

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scary box that that that sits there.

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And you have to be some kind
of computer whiz or tech tech

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techy to to do this thing.

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And a lot of people say well you know
I'm not really into that kind of thing.

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I'm I'm into people things.

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But here the the computer
becomes a vehicle a way to to

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add add things in your life that

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you just don't have other ways.

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So it really makes the computer friendly
and in a whole new kind of way.

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Are you when we get back.

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We've got to take a break right now but
when we get back I really want to get an

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opportunity to find out about what what
it is that possesses you to get into this

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the way that you the way that you do.

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I mean I'm convinced I think this
thing is really a hot product

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but hold on to that.

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We'll come back.

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We'll talk about it.

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This is Michael Walker online America.

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We'll be back after this.

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Hello I'm Rick Burnett and welcome to
online America's personal computer news.

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Microsoft Corporation has delayed the
introduction of Microsoft Windows

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until June of 1985.

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The functionality is there but Windows
is larger and slower than the company

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would like a spokeswoman for Microsoft said.

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In addition the operating system environment
doesn't handle all applications as

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well as the firm would like.

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Microsoft maintains that the impact of the
holdup is lessened by the fact that 50

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independent software vendors writing
applications programs to run under Windows

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won't have their products
ready until June either.

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The firm suggests that the
application software is the

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real key to Windows success.

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Asked whether IBM's new windowing
software top view is likely to

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replace Windows in the marketplace.

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Microsoft thinks not even though big
blues product is scheduled to be unveiled

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six months before Microsoft's offering.

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Certainly perceptually top view competes
with Windows the spokeswoman said but

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the goals of the two
programs are very different.

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Top view is a mechanism for running
more than one application at a time.

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Windows is a bit mapped graphical interface
that makes a personal computer look

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like Apple's Macintosh with top view she
adds users of Lotus 1 2 3 may be able to

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create larger spreadsheets but they
also will sacrifice 160 K to operating

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environment with Windows
Lotus becomes a Mac on a PC.

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Compaq and fortune faltered despite sales
increases Compaq computer corporation

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posted record sales of eighty seven
point five million dollars for the third

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quarter ended September 30th an increase
of more than 140 percent over a year

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earlier sales of 36 million dollars yet
quarterly earnings fell to one point nine

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million dollars compared to earnings of
three point eight million dollars for

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1983 third quarter.

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Fortune systems corporation reported a
net loss for the third quarter of three

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point sixty seven million dollars despite
sales of sixteen point seventy six

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million dollars and eighty five percent
increase over revenues for the same

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period a year ago of nine point
zero five million dollars.

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Both companies blamed a softness in the
personal computer industry during the

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summer as well as increased
competition from IBM.

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Fortune added that it is
experiencing pressure from AT&T's

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computer introductions as well.

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VisiCorp is about to disappear from the scene.

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The company announced early this month
that it will merge through an exchange of

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stock with Paladin Software Corporation
a startup firm headed by a former

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VisiCorp product marketing
manager that manager Ray folk

00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:05.001
will lead the new company.

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The merger provides Paladin with a source
of cash to carry out its plans for a

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family of office computer software
products that are scheduled

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for introduction early next year.

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VisiCorp sold its VisiOn integrated
software to control data corporation this

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summer for an undisclosed sum.

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Paladin will continue to sell VisiCorp's
new flash calc spreadsheet and

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VisiWord word processing packages.

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The firm also retains the right
to sell VisiOn through retailers.

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This week's news consists of excerpts
from personal computers today

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and from PR News Wire.

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Both available through NewsNet.
For Online America's Personal

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Computer News, I'm Rick Burnett.

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You know, Andy,
it seems like there are articles about

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computers everywhere I look lately.

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You know,
I know computers really are a growing trend.

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For instance, one of the magazines I was
reading the other night is called the

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New Age Journal.
It's one of those New Age magazines, you know.

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And what were you reading about?

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Well, one of the short stories they
had in there was about a guy who's

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writing win-win video games.

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Win-win video games.
That sounds interesting. What are they?

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Well, for instance, one of the games
he's written is called Forest Fire.

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The object of the game is
to learn to work together

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with your quote unquote opponent.

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Traditional competition does not work
in this game, but cooperation and

00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:34.001
communication allow you to put out the
fire and save acres of valuable forest.

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Hot game.

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Oh, cute. The same guy, his name is Foth Thai,
is also working on a game that

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teaches players how to avert
meltdown at a nuclear plant.

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As he says,
the only way to win is to shut it down.

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I love it.
We'll have to have this guy at the cafe.

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In the meantime,
let's get back to Michael and Howard Goldberg.

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We're back. And, you know,
as I mentioned before, I'm interested.

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If we look at what's happening,
this computer can give us an opportunity to

00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:08.000
become our own entrepreneurs,
our own businesses, our own

00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:11.000
whatever we want to do with this thing.

00:27:11.001 --> 00:27:13.001
And that's basically what
you're doing with this.

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You've taken this idea and now
you're marketing it to the country.

00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:18.001
How does that feel to you?

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I think that's great.

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I think what's happened over the last
few years has really illustrated

00:27:26.001 --> 00:27:33.001
the power of the great American
dream where you can go out and

00:27:33.001 --> 00:27:35.000
you can start your own company.

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And particularly in the software,
in the whole software, people who

00:27:42.001 --> 00:27:48.000
have decided that that's what they want
to do can just go out and they can buy

00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:50.001
themselves a home computer.

00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:55.000
For a few hundred dollars or a
thousand dollars and start producing

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software and selling it.

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[...] it gives it gives people
an opportunity to to to fulfill

00:28:05.001 --> 00:28:07.000
that that kind of agreement.

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And PlayNet has been that for me and
for those of us who are involved,

00:28:14.001 --> 00:28:21.000
it's an opportunity to go out and do what
what what a lot of people dream about

00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:23.001
doing and that's starting their own company.

00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:29.000
And so that's that's a real a real part of it.

00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:30.001
Real satisfying.

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And when I see people on the network at
night and enjoying themselves and and

00:28:36.001 --> 00:28:42.000
there's no way that they would
pay for using PlayNet if

00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:43.001
they weren't getting something out of it.

00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:47.001
So it's something that
that that everybody wins.

00:28:47.001 --> 00:28:51.001
It's a it's a win win kind of situation,
which is which is the best.

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I'll tell you the price is definitely right.

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Two dollars an hour.

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I mean, I don't know how you guys
can afford to be open at that.

00:28:58.001 --> 00:29:02.001
I mean, unless, of course,
you're planning on talking to lots of folks and

00:29:02.001 --> 00:29:04.001
selling this thing to lots of people.

00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:07.001
Why did you pick on two dollars?

00:29:08.001 --> 00:29:15.001
Well, we we felt that to really make this
something that would be available to a

00:29:15.001 --> 00:29:19.000
lot of people, that a lot of people
around the country could enjoy.

00:29:19.001 --> 00:29:20.001
The price had to be right.

00:29:20.001 --> 00:29:26.000
The price had to be something that that
people could afford where they could

00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:30.000
spend enough time on the network to
really get the enjoyment out of it.

00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.001
That it would be comparable to other kinds
of entertainment because people have

00:29:34.001 --> 00:29:40.000
to make choices with the way
they with the things they do.

00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:41.000
You can go out to a show.

00:29:41.001 --> 00:29:43.001
You can you can go bowling.

00:29:43.001 --> 00:29:49.001
And so that's the kind of for a couple hours

00:29:49.001 --> 00:29:51.000
worth of entertainment.

00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:59.000
You really need to to have the price
be somewhere in that kind of range.

00:29:59.001 --> 00:30:05.000
Four dollars, five dollars,
because if it's much higher than that, somebody

00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:06.001
looking at that will say,
well, I'd really like to

00:30:06.001 --> 00:30:08.001
do that, but it's just out of reach.

00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:14.000
And we really want to make this kind
of thing available to the most the

00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:15.001
largest number of people we can.

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I want to talk about the configuration.

00:30:20.001 --> 00:30:24.000
And that simply means which
pieces of the puzzle did you put

00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:25.001
together to make this thing happen?

00:30:26.001 --> 00:30:28.001
You have why don't you tell me what you got.

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OK, Mike, well, what someone needs
to be able to get on play that

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are the the basics of a Commodore system.

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You need to have a Commodore computer keyboard.

00:30:46.001 --> 00:30:51.000
You need a disk drive so you can
put the plain software into it.

00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:57.001
And you need a a box that
connects your computer to

00:30:57.001 --> 00:31:04.000
the telephone and you can buy
these these kind of gadgets

00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:10.000
from from Commodore, a Vic modem from Hess,

00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:14.001
Hess modem or there are other
other manufacturers of modems.

00:31:14.001 --> 00:31:21.000
You can go into mass merchandiser
retailer like Toys R Us and and

00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:22.001
buy that for fifty dollars.

00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:29.001
The the total system would run
somewhere around five hundred dollars.

00:31:30.001 --> 00:31:36.000
The Commodore keyboard typically
runs around one hundred and ninety

00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:37.001
five dollars to hundred dollars.

00:31:37.001 --> 00:31:43.001
This drive about two fifty and the
and the Hess modem or Vic modem

00:31:43.001 --> 00:31:46.001
adds fifty or sixty dollars.

00:31:46.001 --> 00:31:48.001
So that's the basic hardware price.

00:31:50.001 --> 00:31:57.001
Then to buy the plain at subscription package,
you will pay a one

00:31:57.001 --> 00:32:01.001
time subscription fee of about
twenty nine ninety five.

00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:04.001
And that gives you the the
software that you need.

00:32:05.001 --> 00:32:10.001
It gives you the the user guide
to tell you how to use it.

00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:17.001
You'll receive a monthly a monthly
newsletter that gives you all the latest

00:32:17.001 --> 00:32:20.001
things that are happening on play net.

00:32:21.001 --> 00:32:22.000
Who's doing what.

00:32:23.001 --> 00:32:30.001
And then the the basic charge after that
is a six dollar a month flat service fee

00:32:30.001 --> 00:32:36.001
and the two dollars an hour for every
hour that you're on the network.

00:32:37.001 --> 00:32:38.000
And that's it.

00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:43.000
Well, I mean, you know, the thing about
it is is that prior to this, I mean, I

00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:48.000
had an I.B.M.P.C.
I do have it now and I got a Hayes modem and

00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:49.001
I got the software.

00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:54.001
I mean, the software, the modem,
that was like six hundred bucks.

00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:58.000
And then to get on copies service
like another six bucks a month.

00:32:58.001 --> 00:33:02.001
And that's not to mention, if you want to
get on the executive service, which is

00:33:02.001 --> 00:33:06.000
like fifteen dollars an hour or something
like that, I don't know the out.

00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:10.000
The dollars are weird there,
but it just it's expensive.

00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:13.001
And this is really something that
gives people an opportunity to

00:33:13.001 --> 00:33:15.001
kind of get in into this thing.

00:33:15.001 --> 00:33:16.001
And it's a big network.

00:33:16.001 --> 00:33:19.001
How many computer Commodore
users are there out there?

00:33:20.001 --> 00:33:21.000
Well, they are.

00:33:21.001 --> 00:33:28.001
There are something in the
neighborhood of two million Commodore

00:33:28.001 --> 00:33:31.000
64 is out in the marketplace right now.

00:33:31.001 --> 00:33:33.001
And that's growing every day.

00:33:33.001 --> 00:33:40.000
We chose the Commodore because
they're the largest number of of home

00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:42.001
computers of all of the brands out there.

00:33:42.001 --> 00:33:44.001
It was the lowest price.

00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:48.001
You could buy all the equipment
at at a at a reasonable price.

00:33:49.001 --> 00:33:55.001
But we haven't forgotten the people who have I.
B.M.S. and radio shacks and and

00:33:55.001 --> 00:33:58.000
the taris and and apples.

00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:02.000
And we plan next year to adapt the playnet

00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.000
software to some of these other machines.

00:34:04.001 --> 00:34:07.001
So people who who have that equipment
will have the opportunity to

00:34:07.001 --> 00:34:09.001
also be playing at subscribers.

00:34:11.001 --> 00:34:16.000
And if you're an Apple owner,
you'll be able to talk to a Commodore owner

00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:17.001
on the on the network.

00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:23.000
We're not it's not going to be that only
apples can talk to apples and so on.

00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:30.000
So whatever you have,
we will over time be able to have you join us.

00:34:30.001 --> 00:34:34.000
Does that mean that that's the
way it is on say CompuServe?

00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:37.001
If you're an Apple, you can't talk to IBM.

00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:45.000
No, you can you can do that also now the
but the big difference between playnet

00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:50.001
and CompuServe and the source
and Dow Jones is that on on the

00:34:50.001 --> 00:34:52.000
other networks, there are no graphics.

00:34:52.001 --> 00:34:56.000
What you see are just words and
numbers coming across the screen.

00:34:56.000 --> 00:35:02.000
So there's no software that has to
go into your computer in playnet

00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:07.000
in order for you to have all
of the the beautiful graphics

00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.000
that that we offer you.

00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:15.000
You need to have the software and as you know,
Mike, Commodore software only

00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:18.001
works on a Commodore computer and and so on.

00:35:18.001 --> 00:35:24.001
So we have to adapt our software for each
of the each of the different machines.

00:35:24.001 --> 00:35:29.000
And that's the price we pay to to
offer the kind of quality product

00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:30.001
that that we want to offer people.

00:35:30.001 --> 00:35:34.001
You know, this, you know, the one of
the trippiest things about this whole

00:35:34.001 --> 00:35:40.001
industry that I'm starting to really look at,
there's a certain now there's a lot

00:35:40.001 --> 00:35:42.000
of volatility in this industry.

00:35:42.001 --> 00:35:44.000
There's a lot of volatility.

00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:48.001
I mean, guys come in here,
they really mean the best of everything.

00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:51.000
And they're there to have
the best of intentions.

00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:54.000
And for some reason, they fall.

00:35:54.001 --> 00:35:55.000
They don't make it.

00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:55.001
They don't get through.

00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:58.001
Maybe they overproject
themselves had too much money to

00:35:58.001 --> 00:36:00.000
get started or didn't have enough.

00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:04.000
And they went the wrong path, followed a
machine that died out there at the end

00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:09.001
of the pier or they went into one that
totally dropped his whole marketing plan

00:36:09.001 --> 00:36:13.001
that you based everything on and then
brought in another competitive computer

00:36:13.001 --> 00:36:15.000
that would blow everything away.

00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:17.001
Why?

00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:20.000
Why play in this kind of arena?

00:36:20.001 --> 00:36:23.000
Why get into this for yourself personally?

00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:29.001
Well, you know, I guess it's like the
person who who goes and clowns who climbs

00:36:29.001 --> 00:36:33.001
Mount Everest in some ways,
you kind of do it because it's there.

00:36:36.001 --> 00:36:43.000
When I looked at the different kind of
things that I could do this one, this

00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:49.000
whole business attracted me because I guess
partly because of the excitement that

00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:51.000
it's kind of a two-edged sword.

00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:56.000
On the one hand, the excitement and
the volatility means opportunity.

00:36:56.001 --> 00:36:59.000
On the other hand, it's a tough business.

00:36:59.001 --> 00:37:00.000
And you're absolutely right.

00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:02.001
People come and people go.

00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:09.001
And there have been some some very vague
and otherwise successful companies like

00:37:09.001 --> 00:37:15.000
Texas Instruments and Mattel and Atari that

00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:19.000
that have fallen on tough times.

00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:26.000
But I guess there are those of
us who like to play in the in

00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:27.001
the fast, exciting games.

00:37:28.001 --> 00:37:31.001
And I find myself in that in that group.

00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:32.001
You and me both.

00:37:33.001 --> 00:37:35.000
We'll be right back after this.

00:37:35.001 --> 00:37:36.000
It's Michael Walker.

00:37:36.001 --> 00:37:37.000
We're with.

00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:39.000
Oh, God, Howard.

00:37:39.001 --> 00:37:40.001
I'll tell you.

00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:43.001
It's Howard Goldberg.

00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:46.001
We're the famous computer cafe.

00:37:46.001 --> 00:37:47.001
Stay tuned, you guys.

00:37:55.001 --> 00:37:57.001
So what else was in that
new age here in Leland?

00:37:58.001 --> 00:38:01.001
Well, another interesting article
talked about a couple that got tired of

00:38:01.001 --> 00:38:05.000
watching their kids get sick of their toys
after playing with them for one week.

00:38:05.001 --> 00:38:08.000
And they reasoned that adults probably
went through the same sort of thing.

00:38:08.001 --> 00:38:09.001
I have an idea what they meant.

00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:10.001
So what did they do?

00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:15.000
Well, they instituted something called a
toy brewery, a lending library of toys.

00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.000
Of course,
their definition of toys makes me think

00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:18.001
they're people after my own heart.

00:38:19.001 --> 00:38:22.001
Their toys include a printing press,
a portable dark room, a potter's

00:38:22.001 --> 00:38:24.001
wheel, a Steinway grand piano.

00:38:24.001 --> 00:38:26.000
That's a serious toy.

00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:26.001
[...]

00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:30.000
And an 11 home computers and 200
different software products.

00:38:30.001 --> 00:38:33.001
According to the article, they even
have two of the local restaurants with

00:38:33.001 --> 00:38:36.001
standing monthly reservations for the
computers to do their bookkeeping.

00:38:36.001 --> 00:38:37.001
So where are they located?

00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:40.000
They're in upstate Vermont somewhere.

00:38:40.001 --> 00:38:44.000
Sounds like another idea about
how to make money and have fun

00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:45.001
with your personal computer, really.

00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:46.000
[...]

00:38:46.001 --> 00:38:49.001
Well, let's get back to Michael and
Howard Goldberg talking about PlayNet.

00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:52.001
Welcome back.

00:38:53.001 --> 00:38:55.001
We're with Howard Goldberg.

00:38:56.001 --> 00:38:59.001
And Howard is the chairman of PlayNet,
which is a

00:38:59.001 --> 00:39:01.001
telecommunications database service.

00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:04.000
You can actually access it from your home.

00:39:04.001 --> 00:39:07.001
Right now, it's only on the Commodore,
but it's soon to be out, released for next

00:39:07.001 --> 00:39:10.000
to early next year for the IBM.

00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:13.001
[...] Apple and the other folks out there.

00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:16.000
I really want to get in.

00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:21.000
The kind of questions I like to ask
my guests before I leave is, what?

00:39:21.001 --> 00:39:23.001
Where do you see this business going?

00:39:25.001 --> 00:39:29.000
Telecommunications getting online,
people talking to people.

00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:35.001
Is there a sense of a main database
of Big Brother or is there a sense of

00:39:35.001 --> 00:39:40.000
freedom, a bright spot in the future
that we can communicate with?

00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:43.000
I realize I'm rambling a little bit here,
but not

00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:45.000
really, because I want to express that.

00:39:45.001 --> 00:39:46.001
What do you think?

00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:49.001
How do you feel about this whole thing?

00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:51.001
And where do you see the
things going in the future?

00:39:52.001 --> 00:39:59.001
Well, Mike, what I see is that this really
represents an evolution, another step.

00:40:00.001 --> 00:40:06.000
If you look at a home and you look at
the kinds of things that are there that

00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:11.001
connect people to the outside world,
basically you've got your telephone, the

00:40:11.001 --> 00:40:13.001
radio, and the TV.

00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:21.000
Radio and TV are basically instruments
that allow things to come into your home.

00:40:22.001 --> 00:40:27.001
The telephone is the one thing
that allows you to go both ways.

00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:34.001
Now, because people can for the first
time in history have a computer in their

00:40:34.001 --> 00:40:37.000
home, it really adds another capability.

00:40:38.001 --> 00:40:45.001
And services like PlayNet, which really
connect the telephone and the TV and the

00:40:45.001 --> 00:40:50.001
computer,
add a new level of power to that whole

00:40:50.001 --> 00:40:56.000
element of connecting the
home with the outside.

00:40:56.000 --> 00:41:03.000
And so when you look at what you
do when you're watching TV, you

00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:08.000
get entertainment, you get information,
the telephone is communication.

00:41:08.001 --> 00:41:15.000
There are already things like bill
paying over the phone, shopping,

00:41:15.001 --> 00:41:17.000
calling up and placing an order.

00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:22.001
And the computer really is going to
help you do many of the things that you

00:41:22.001 --> 00:41:28.000
already do in an easier way.

00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:33.001
It's going to add capability so that,
for example, being able to make contact

00:41:33.001 --> 00:41:39.000
with people, meet new people,
which is kind of like the telephone

00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:41.000
but with something new.

00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:52.000
That's kind of how I see it.
That's part of an evolution from when Alexander

00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:59.000
Graham Bell first created the phone a
hundred years ago and gave people a

00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:02.000
new way to communicate with the world.

00:42:02.001 --> 00:42:08.001
That was a step in what's happening in life.

00:42:10.001 --> 00:42:14.001
Well, I think the product that you have
is pretty neat. When's it going to be out

00:42:14.001 --> 00:42:16.000
and when's it going to be available? When are

00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:17.001
people going to get to have it in their homes?

00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:24.001
Well, we will be marketing it
starting the end of October.

00:42:26.001 --> 00:42:33.000
People can call us on 1-800-PLAYNET and ask for

00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:37.001
information or subscribe and we'll be
happy to send them out a subscription kit.

00:42:37.001 --> 00:42:43.000
But right now you need to have Commodore 64.

00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:48.001
As I said earlier,
next year we'll be adding other machines.

00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:56.000
But please, if you're interested,
call us on 1-800-PLAYNET and

00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:58.000
we'll be happy to talk to you.

00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:04.001
Well, I've got to tell you, I have totally
enjoyed this howard. It's been... I

00:43:04.001 --> 00:43:08.001
really didn't realize what PlayNET
was all about and having had

00:43:08.001 --> 00:43:10.000
experience did myself.

00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:14.001
I can honestly attest to the graphics.
I can honestly attest to the game even

00:43:14.001 --> 00:43:19.001
though Bill H, whoever that guy was,
I think he was on the other

00:43:19.001 --> 00:43:21.000
side of the country, beat me.

00:43:22.001 --> 00:43:28.001
I don't like to get beat too often,
I've got to tell you that. But anyway, I

00:43:28.001 --> 00:43:32.001
think it's pretty neat. I'm glad you showed
it to me. I'm glad you took the time

00:43:32.001 --> 00:43:34.000
to turn me on to this.

00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:39.000
But more importantly, it's been great
having you on the show. I've really enjoyed

00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:42.001
your time here. It's been real informative.
I've learned a lot

00:43:42.001 --> 00:43:44.001
and feel like I made a friend.

00:43:45.001 --> 00:43:51.000
Well, thanks, Mike. I've really enjoyed
being on your show and being on Online

00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:57.000
America. And I hope we will both
be able to help people get online

00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:02.001
all across America and the world.
And thank you very much for having me.

00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:05.001
Alright. Stay tuned, guys.

00:44:14.001 --> 00:44:18.000
And now a word from our IBM correspondent,
Dave Johnson.

00:44:44.001 --> 00:44:48.000
Today's discussion is about helping
yourself and other people who may use a PC.

00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:51.001
Who hasn't wanted to do that? I know I have.

00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:56.001
Instead of learning the language of DOS,
you may choose your process from a menu.

00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:00.001
There are many occasions when a
process on a PC may actually be

00:45:00.001 --> 00:45:02.000
composed of three or four steps.

00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:08.001
Prime example, I want to dial my bank for
an account statement. Command 1, I load

00:45:08.001 --> 00:45:12.000
the communication software. Command 2, I enter

00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:13.001
the phone number for the modem to dial.

00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:19.001
Command 3, I enter the password and account
number. Command 4, enter request for

00:45:19.001 --> 00:45:23.001
account balance. Now, who wouldn't
want to simplify that? I know I have.

00:45:23.001 --> 00:45:27.001
There are several packages that are
available that will help you build menus.

00:45:28.001 --> 00:45:32.000
This allows you, with a single keystroke,
to complete that whole

00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:33.001
command sequence I just mentioned.

00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:39.000
One of the best is Starburst by MicroPro,
makers of WordStar. This package allows

00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:43.000
you to build a hierarchical menu tree.
And who hasn't dreamed of doing

00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:44.001
that? I know I have.

00:45:44.001 --> 00:45:50.001
With Starburst, you may link menus or
tasks together. The main or opening menu

00:45:50.001 --> 00:45:54.001
will allow you to pick submenus.
That is, access to your communication

00:45:54.001 --> 00:45:56.001
software or your database.

00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:01.001
Once at the appropriate submenu,
you execute command sequences with a single

00:46:01.001 --> 00:46:05.000
choice.
Your communication menu may have four choices.

00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:12.000
Examples 1, dial the bank for a balance.
2, dial an outside database. 3,

00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:15.000
an electronic mail. Or 4, modify the menu.

00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:21.000
Another approach is Autodos by Excalibur
Technologies, which is, quote, a

00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:25.001
complete automatic menu-driven
DOS control program, unquote.

00:46:25.001 --> 00:46:31.001
You can chain DOS commands together into
a menu choice. For example, from the

00:46:31.001 --> 00:46:37.000
main menu, you can pick number 1,
which will change your directory to a WordStar

00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:40.001
subdirectory, then bring up WordStar,
and you're ready to go.

00:46:41.001 --> 00:46:47.000
Now, both of these packages offer an
added advantage, password protection. If

00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:51.000
someone else wants to know your correspondence
on WordStar, if they don't know

00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:53.000
the password, they don't get past the menu.

00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:58.001
Well, this has been Dave Johnson for Online
America, logging off. And who hasn't

00:46:58.001 --> 00:47:00.000
wanted to do that? I know I have.

00:47:03.001 --> 00:47:07.001
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00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:10.000
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00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:11.001
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00:47:16.001 --> 00:47:18.001
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And now we're going to go over to Paul
and Sarah Edwards. We're going to tell us

00:47:55.001 --> 00:47:58.001
about some new ways to make
money with our microcomputers.

00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:03.001
Hi, Michael. If you're interested in stocks
and bonds, how about this as an idea

00:48:03.001 --> 00:48:07.001
for a business you can start with your
computer? Monitoring stock portfolios.

00:48:08.001 --> 00:48:12.000
With portfolio management software,
you can track the performance of investments

00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:16.001
like stocks, bonds, options,
treasury bills and mutual funds.

00:48:16.001 --> 00:48:21.000
If you invest in stocks and bonds yourself,
you may already have one of these

00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:24.000
programs and can use it to offer
a service to other people.

00:48:24.001 --> 00:48:29.001
If you haven't used portfolio management
software before, it works like this. You

00:48:29.001 --> 00:48:33.001
key in the current unit price of each
security and it instantly will determine

00:48:33.001 --> 00:48:37.001
for you the current value of the
particular portfolio you're interested in.

00:48:37.001 --> 00:48:42.001
You can set up your stock portfolio
business on a per inquiry basis or on a

00:48:42.001 --> 00:48:46.000
monthly retainer that allows customers
so many inquiries each month.

00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:51.000
The software you need ranges in cost
from less than $100 to several hundred.

00:48:51.001 --> 00:48:55.001
If you want to expand this business into
preparing stock predictions, you'll also

00:48:55.001 --> 00:49:00.001
need an electronic spreadsheet,
which will cost about $200 to $300.

00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:05.001
The spreadsheet software allows you to
estimate what the effect of potential or

00:49:05.001 --> 00:49:08.000
announced courses of action
will be on a portfolio.

00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:12.000
In other words, you can help your
customers play what if games with

00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:13.001
possible or actual investments.

00:49:14.001 --> 00:49:18.001
By changing the variables of price,
earnings, dividends and so forth in various

00:49:18.001 --> 00:49:22.000
combinations,
you can project how much an investment would do

00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:24.000
if this or that happened.

00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:28.000
With a spreadsheet, you can change one
of the variables and the program then

00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:29.001
automatically changes all the others.

00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.000
It saves you a tremendous
amount of time in doing

00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:34.001
recalculations by hand or with a calculator.

00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:38.001
And now that stock trading services are
available nationally on your personal

00:49:38.001 --> 00:49:41.000
computer, you can actually trade stock too.

00:49:41.001 --> 00:49:44.000
Here's how that service works
with one particular service.

00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:49.001
Using virtually any personal computer,
a subscriber to this service can enter buy

00:49:49.001 --> 00:49:52.001
and sell orders 24 hours a
day on exchange lists and

00:49:52.001 --> 00:49:54.000
over-the-counter stocks and options.

00:49:54.001 --> 00:49:58.000
A broker reviews each order on a computer
screen before forwarding it to the

00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:00.001
appropriate exchange via his or her computer.

00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:04.001
The broker then confirms back to your
computer and settles up through an asset

00:50:04.001 --> 00:50:07.000
management or a money order account.

00:50:07.001 --> 00:50:11.001
A one-time set-up fee of around
$200 is charged for this service.

00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:15.001
Then usage costs run around 40 cents
a minute during prime time hours and

00:50:15.001 --> 00:50:17.000
10 cents a minute during off hours.

00:50:17.001 --> 00:50:19.001
These fees are added to the usual commission.

00:50:20.001 --> 00:50:24.000
To get customers for your portfolio
management service, you can start with

00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:26.000
offering your service to friends and neighbors.

00:50:26.001 --> 00:50:29.000
You can join local business
groups and organizations.

00:50:29.001 --> 00:50:33.000
And of course, everywhere you go,
tell people about your business.

00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:36.001
Give free demonstrations to civic
groups and church groups and friends.

00:50:36.001 --> 00:50:40.001
Because not everyone knows yet
how easy it is to gain investment

00:50:40.001 --> 00:50:42.000
information with a personal computer.

00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.001
You might even end up selling
investment software to your

00:50:45.001 --> 00:50:47.000
customers and teaching them how to use it.

00:50:47.001 --> 00:50:50.000
This is Paul and Sarah
Edwards for Online America.

00:50:50.001 --> 00:50:54.000
If you're operating a computer business
out there, let us hear about it.

00:50:54.001 --> 00:50:58.000
And if monitoring stock portfolios
sounds like a good business idea to you,

00:50:58.001 --> 00:51:01.001
remember, someone's going to do it,
it might as well be you.

00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:07.001
Paul and Sarah Edwards are the authors
of How to Make Money with Your Personal

00:51:07.001 --> 00:51:09.000
Computer, the Alfred Handy Guy.

00:51:09.001 --> 00:51:12.000
And they operate the Work at
Home Special Interest Group on

00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:14.000
CompuServe Information Service.

00:51:21.001 --> 00:51:25.000
You know, I sometimes wonder whether it
would be like to go back in history,

00:51:25.001 --> 00:51:29.000
sitting on the bow of the Nina, the Pinta,
or the Santa Maria, when Columbus

00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.001
dropped anchor for the first
time in the New World.

00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:36.000
Or be a conquistador under Hernando Cortes
when he challenged the entire Aztec

00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:38.000
Empire with only 400 men.

00:51:38.001 --> 00:51:42.001
You can now experience everything the
first Spaniards did with the Seven Cities

00:51:42.001 --> 00:51:47.001
of Gold from Electronic Arts, which is
available for the Commodore 64, Apple II,

00:51:47.001 --> 00:51:50.000
II Plus, and IIe, and Atari systems.

00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:53.001
The game is an excellent blend
of strategy and arcade, which

00:51:53.001 --> 00:51:55.001
serves as an excellent teaching tool.

00:51:56.000 --> 00:52:01.000
The Neophyte Explorer not only learns
to read a map and follow a compass, but

00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:03.001
also gains some insight into
the historical relationship

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between the Indians and the conquistadors.

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Take the opportunity to play the game
utilizing trade and cooperation, and the

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natives are likely to shower you with gifts.

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Play the game with ruthless force,
and you'll be greeted with ruthless violence.

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The game begins in Spain at the port city
where you make decisions about how many

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men, ships, and provisions you'll
take with you to the New World.

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There's a store, a tavern,
and even the royal palace.

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As you embark on your journey across the ocean,
you'll immediately notice the

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sound of ocean waves as your fleet
heads into the great unknown.

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Soon enough, you reach land.

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As you disembark,
you again make decisions on how much food

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and provisions to take with you.

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Now the real adventure begins.

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The goal of the game is to
cover as much territory and

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acquire as much gold as possible.

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As you encounter native settlements,
you either engage them in battle or

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trade, depending on how you approach them.

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That might seem like an easy choice,
but I can tell you from personal experience

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that all of my peace-loving intentions
seemed to go right out the window many

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times during the game when I was
unable to accomplish my objectives

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through non-violent means.

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As a matter of fact, I ended up killing
so many Indians that the Queen refused to

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see me when I returned home to Spain at
the end of the game, saying that I had

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not represented my country in a
manner in which she could be proud.

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As I said, folks,
this game is really an education.

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As you play the game, the computer keeps track

00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:41.001
of the territory which you've discovered.

00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:45.001
The exciting thing is that you don't
get to see a bird's eye view of your

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discovery until you return home to Spain.

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I was so excited to the point of real
impatience that I couldn't wait to sail

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back across the ocean before I could
view my discoveries as a whole.

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I guess there's a little bit
of the explorer in all of us.

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Perhaps the best feature of the game is
its ability to create a whole new set of

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continents when you've finished
exploring the old ones.

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Just think, a whole new world that no
one's ever seen before, just waiting

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on the other side of the ocean.

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Now, who could resist that?

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This has been Andy Velkoff at the Explorers'
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